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Robin Maslen

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Has any one out there had a go at dismantling the recuperator on a 10.5 cm (or similar) howitzer. How dangerous would this be with the spring load? Any hints would be appreciated.

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Peter Kempf

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I'm trained on a 10.5cm howitzer (not the type you are working on of course) but it was many yaers ago, but I will see if I can find the old manual. Maybe there are some hints to be found there. But I remeber that much, that recuperator work is beyond any work done in the field. That was strictly for the Army technicians.


/PK



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Robin

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Thanks Peter. I am concerned if we open it there might be an almighty spring explosion. Although the way that everything moveable has frozen and needs heat, tons of pressure and loads of patience there will probably be no movement. Am having fun stripping the sights and have almost got every thing apart except the big curved slide. Am soaking this in Molasses and water to see if this will help.

One of the other volunteer gun restorers groups at Jamestown, took 7 years(3,500 hrs and $10,000 to restore their 150mm Heavy Field howitzer and it looks great. (see below I hope the picture will come out ok because the link I got from simple load seemed to stop at the end of the "Links Generated window" with more numbers I couldn't select.) any hints?? Oh now I have pasted it, it seems to have the whole group.

PS Peter Were you going to put some photos of the gun we are restoring on a page somewhere and I will send updates?
Robin

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Well that didn't work so will try again using the IMG above also will check to see that I typed the Vilkatas guide instructions properly.



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Robin

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http://s1.simpload.com/08294313b23e52f4e.jpg
Robin

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Well that didn't work again. I wonder why?

I will post something to the Vilkatas guide.

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Robin

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Will try another go at posting an image. Simple load offers 5 options where there is a link address. I used the "Direct" one before. This time will try the HTML and see what happens. Other alternatives are BBC - BBC2 - Share.

Also when I posted the "Direct" address to the address bar and went "Go" it showed an error in the image address.


or maybe


I am going to get to the bottom of this yet.
Robin

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Me again

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That didn't work as neither of the two links I pasted into the comment area even appeared let alone the image.

Also in Netscape 7.02 for Mac I don't get much result when I click on the Advanced. Only something that says "Tags open:0"

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Robin

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Trying again. Have emailed Simpload and they can't work it so far.



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Robin

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Now why did that work twice. I put the new web address of my picture in twice using the info from Vilkatas> the first time including the " in the img src= " "> adding the first < and then without using the ". It seems that both worked and I got two pictures.

Great. End of this story

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Peter Kempf

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The gun in the picture, is that yours?


/PK



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Robin

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No Peter, I wish it was as it looks really good. However we hope to have ours as good but the way it looks now. Yuk.

This gun belongs to (or is it on loan to?) the Jamestown locals. A country town a couple of hours North of Adelaide. One of the guys who worked on it doing all the riveting gave me a CD with a whole series of photos as the work progressed. They are planning to construct a building with a design based on a 1915 Australian light Horse Camp Post Office. I will see if I can attach a photo of this.

"img src="http://s1.simpload.com/083143156c7f29a87.jpg>

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Robin

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Try again



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stephen brezinski

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RE: Robin, what howitzer is this
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This howitzer in your photo is unfamilier to me right now.  Can you tell me what it is.  When made?  Nationality?  A few more photos for my references?


Thank you much,


Stephen


 



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Robin

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Stephen

The gun is a War trophy one of many guns given to a group of Australian Local Councils after WW1. I think that this particular gun is the one listed in Bill Billett's book on War Trophies in the Appendix 3 Army Directory of Allotted Trophies at Jamestown. Listed as 9ALH Regt 150mm gun Number 20 Captured Unknown Unit 9 Australian Light Horse.

The CD that I have of its restoration shows it as a Turkish 150mm Heavy Field Howitzer.

I have spoken with Charles Catford who was one of the main people involved in the restoration. The gun is being kept in his engineering workshop until the council builds a shelter for it. His email address is He might be able to give you more info about it.

Robin


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Robin

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The website address didn't come out so will try again.
www.catford.com.au


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stephen brezinski

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I was unaware that Turkey had any heavy indutry at the time making artillery.  I wonder who the designer is?  It looks like a compex design.


stephen


 



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Neil Taylor

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stephen brezinski wrote:

I was unaware that Turkey had any heavy indutry at the time making artillery.  I wonder who the designer is?  It looks like a compex design. stephen  

Most of the War Trophies that were captured from the Turkish Army were manufactured by Krupp - Essen.


Generally they have several lines of Turkish script on the breech-block.


The Turkish Army had a wide selection of Artillery weapons purchased? from Krupp. Many of these are displayed (in various condition) around Australia.



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Robin

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Neil you are right. In the CD I have, it is also referred to as the Krupp canon.

Well all very interesting but I hope someone out there has pulled a recuperator to bits. I think it will need something to release the spring slowly. Peter any luck with your old manual?

Robin

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SASH155


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You guys have got my interest really piqued. I thought I had seen pretty much everything in the way of artillery, but for the life of me I am utterly unable to say what exactly this beautifully restored field howitzer was or is. From some of the details (see my article) it looks like a Krupp weapon but the top mounted recuperator, is, to say the least, untypical for either Krupp or Skoda QF ordnance. Are we even sure this is a 15cm howitzer and not a 12cm or even a 13cm howitzer (I believe Argentina had a few Krupp made 130mm field howitzers that they acquired in the 1920s, which, to say the least, was a unique caliber for non-Russian ordnance)? Is there anyone who could post some additional photos from different angles (a "walk around" of sorts) of this unusual piece and try to get a reading of the markings on the breech ring, barrel etc... to glean as much info on it as possible, ie. dates of manufacture etc... Then I will search my sources and try to get over to the Library of Congress to do some research. I suspect that this howitzer is a 'missing link' that has never been illustrated in any standard reference; there may be an entry somewhere on it but there are no photos, or at least no clear ones. I will e-mail the guy in Australia and pick his brain about it.

-- Edited by SASH155 at 04:48, 2006-01-01

-- Edited by SASH155 at 04:55, 2006-01-01

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Wesley Thomas
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If you have any trouble locating Charles Catford on the website that I have given above, email me and I might be able to help. I have a CD of their restoration work as it progressed. My email address is rmaslen@ozemail.com.au. (note the little "r" at the beginning of the address.

I won't post pictures of the 10.5 that we are working on yet as it is in a million bits. But have had some great correspondence with Herbert Jager the author of "German Artillery of World War One". He is a mine of information having been a Lt Col in the German artillery and was responsible for answering all sorts of technical questions about their guns.

He has identified this gun as one made not by Rheinmetal (or Krupp) but by another factory that he had never heard of so it is a bit rare.

Also have just received some photocopies with technical info dated 1925 Berlin from someone in "Bundesamt fur Wehrtechnik und Beschafflung in Koblenz in response to my request for help.

Unfortunately it is all in German so will see about getting some of it translated

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